A Cyberspace Riot on DeafVideo.TV

January 10, 2009 at 3:58 pm (Blogging, Deafness)

As I type this blog post, right now DeafVideo.tv [DVTV] is embroiled in a historic cyberspace protest/riot, which was prompted by Aidan Mack’s now infamous vlog where she discussed domestic violence, then accused Jerome Cain, a fellow vlogger and an ex of hers, of domestic violence. Jerome Cain had accused Aidan of having borderline personality disorder under a now removed vlog titled, ‘Is Aidan a Word Twister?’

Jerome Cain made a vlog in response to Aidan denying the accusation and repeated his accusation against her. No evidence supporting these accusations were given, which ignited a wave of outrage amongst many vloggers.

Tayler Mayer, the owner of both DeafRead and DeafVideo.tv is currently on a business trip, and he interrupted his trip to make a quick vlog, stating that he had discussed this matter with both Aidan and Jerome. Tayler requested that Jerome remove his, and that Aidan either edit her vlog to remove the accusation against Jerome, or to remove the vlog altogether. He also requested that Jerome and Aidan not respond to each other in any manner on DVTV, or they would be banned.

Jerome removed his vlog immediately. Tayler removed Jerome’s vlog, but did not remove Aidan’s vlog. Aidan did not remove her vlog immediately, which only increased the outcry. Then approximately 20 hours ago, Aidan finally removed the vlog and uploaded an edited version with the accusation deleted.

This has not satisfied many vloggers on DVTV, for a couple of reasons. Many of the vloggers feel that Aidan took far too long in removing her original vlog. Secondly, many feel that Aidan’s edited vlog now is too tainted given her conduct.

So now over a hundred vloggers are holding a cyberspace riot on DVTV. They are filming empty chairs, or showing a blackened out video. They are demanding that Aidan’s vlog be removed, and for Tayler to come back and respond to their concerns. Several individuals are also encouraing lawsuits against Tayler, Aidan and the Deaf Newspaper website who broadcast Aidan’s original vlog.

As a mere observer of this protest/riot, it’s hard for me to say what I think will be the outcome. While I think Aidan and the Deaf Newspaper should be held accountable for their actions if it is found that Aidan’s accusations against Jerome is false, Tayler should not be part of the lawsuit. Instead I think they should ask for a moderator who can delete inflammatory and possibly libelous vlogs when Tayler is unable to do so – like how it’s done on YouTube.

I’m also left pondering what kind of message this sends to the Deaf Community at large… I guess only time will tell just exactly what the outcome and overall message will be from this protest.

Addenum: I’ve just been told that Deaf Newspaper has removed Aidan’s vlog from their website.

155 Comments

CherylfromMA said,

January 10, 2009 at 4:56 pm

great report…thanks!!
A Deaf Pundit said,

January 10, 2009 at 4:59 pm

*smiles* I try to report the facts.
deafnet said,

January 10, 2009 at 5:06 pm

Good Report.. thanks
HarleyLady said,

January 10, 2009 at 5:09 pm

Hi Deaf Pundit

I read your post, that is the truth. Thank you for posting this blog into Deaf Read as I wanted Deaf Read bloggers to take notice riot/protest going on DVTV right now

Several are doing letter writing campagain to Viable Inc, sponsor of video comment in DVTV complaining about what had happened.
Penny said,

January 10, 2009 at 5:19 pm

Tayler asked Aidan to edit her vlog so she complied. She left her message under Tayler’s vlog that she was done with editing and was waiting for him to repost for her. It looked like that she was waiting for few hours before Tayler was able to repost it. He was busy yesterday as he already warned everyone beforehand. If Tayler did not wish Aidan to edit her vlog then he would have told her that but he didn’t. He wanted her to edit and repost it. My understanding is that Tayler had removed JC’s vlog. He did that himself. JC did not do it himself. JC’s vlog is still in you tube. Tayler asked Aidan to edit and he would repost it for her. Aidan removed her first vlog in you tube. She did not have to do it but she did anyway. Deaf Hope gave Aidan their support which spoke its volume here. Thanks.
LindaKitty48/DeafKitty said,

January 10, 2009 at 5:30 pm

Thank you!!! Great Report!!!

Member of DVTV
LindaKitty48/DeafKitty
Ann_C said,

January 10, 2009 at 5:36 pm

I hope the situation at DVTV serves as a reminder to vloggers that no matter how painful, personal business has no place on the v/blogosphere.

I have noted that besides his vlog, Jerome Cain has also blogged and complained about his “ex” on DR, but he never mentioned her name. Aidan went far enough to depict who her alleged abuser was, and that pushed things over the edge. The damage is done and I guess the rest will go downhill from here. *roll of eyes*
Billy said,

January 10, 2009 at 5:39 pm

Hate to say but Penny’s right. She really paid attention. Speaking of paying an attention, Jermone actually mentioned the illness first in 3xchiron’s vlog. That started from there…..

Thank god that I chose the right decision not to involved DVTV. They are bunch of whiners. Pardon my harsh words. Anyway I really dislike Aidan for her action. HHOOWWEEVVEERR You have to step back and be objective. Know what I mean?
White Ghost said,

January 10, 2009 at 5:43 pm

It’s pretty extraordinary.

I saw Jerome Cain cried for an exceptional reason. It impacted me the most. It was powerful message.

There is a but.

I am sorry for me to say that there is no compassion from Aidan.

That’s pretty bad example. Donations? No, thanks.

Hi Ann_C I agree with you.((hug))
A Deaf Pundit said,

January 10, 2009 at 5:43 pm

I agree with you, Ann_C.

Billy, is that the ‘Is Aidan a Word Twister?” vlog? I didn’t get a chance to see it before it was removed.
Penny said,

January 10, 2009 at 5:45 pm

One more thing here…many have complained that the incident between victim and batter occured 17 years ago. However, the batter stalked her by making comments and would not leave her alone. The victim tried to work this out privately last year and when the batter would not leave her alone she had to do something about it. This must be a new experience for Tayler and I am sure he will handle this kind of situation better next time. Give him a chance. Aidan had to come forth and made this known so the batter would not bother her again in vlogs and public as well.
jerome cain said,

January 10, 2009 at 5:48 pm

Tayler removed my vlog. I did not remove my vlog. Look at my vlog at youtube. Jerome Cain
Billy said,

January 10, 2009 at 5:49 pm

Yes, that’s the vlog. There were lot of nasty comments made by several people especially the piped piper. Can’t name here…

What’s more, Tayler haven’t come to solve. That’s a little bit odd. He really could be tied up. It could be something bad. They can’t get up and yell foul within 24 hours

Terri Watts made a vlog recently that made sense.
A Deaf Pundit said,

January 10, 2009 at 5:50 pm

Okay. I’ll correct my blog post to reflect the facts. I’m not taking sides here.. I’m just reporting what happened.
A Deaf Pundit said,

January 10, 2009 at 5:55 pm

It’s now fixed.
Deaf Power said,

January 10, 2009 at 5:56 pm

Hi,
DUH Tayler,

I am very embarrass about DeafVideoTV so Richard Roehm and Mike McConnell are CORRECT. Tayler FIRED!!!!!!!!
Aidan is very POWER like Bush. I really miss Gray Brooks and Ridor9th, not joke. I really kiss fist you because you reported about riot in Deafvideotv.
Thank you for report about Deafvideotv.
DeafPower.
jerome cain said,

January 10, 2009 at 5:57 pm

Let you know that person’s video comment stated to give a hint to xxchironxx “white t shirt beater” That hint message tried to reach xxchironxx to ID me as beater. That is why I blew up because of her behave which because she has an illness. Illness which caused her do that. Dr told me in front her of that person that this person do have an illness. My chasing is not necassary. I am acting to unity with people to stop feel being fear on dvtv. That is why we protest to have the fairness and be able to change feature where people can come to it and be able to feeling safe with deafvideo.tv’s monitor. Thanks for it.
Thinking said,

January 10, 2009 at 6:03 pm

How much time elapsed between Adian’s original vlog running on DVTV from the time she accepted what Tayler requested (to remove original vlog from YouTube so it won’t be on DVTV) and the time she actually did remove from youtube?

Where is Tayler? (the business trip he is/was on)

Why can’t Tayler just block the original Aidan vlog feed from youtube (like he did with JC’s?? He really did that?)

Does Tayler have the capability to remove DVTV/Seesmic comments under Aidan’s original vlog?

Did DeafNewspaper show the original vlog in its entirety on their website? Is it still there? Is Ken of DeafNewspaper the type to follow strict journalistic standard/ethics or is it just a “homemade” website?

Just want facts. Thanks, DeafEdge!
A Deaf Pundit said,

January 10, 2009 at 6:13 pm

Thinking,

You can view Tayler’s vlog – I linked it there. He didn’t say where he was at. Tayler had posted his vlog yesterday morning I believe. Aidan did not replace her vlog until evening, which in cyberspace, is a long time.

And yes, Tayler has the ability to remove both comments and vlogs from DVTV.

As for your question about why didn’t Tayler just block Aidan’s vlog like he did with Jerome’s – I don’t know. You’ll have to ask him.

And regarding the Deaf Newspaper – it is confirmed that it was published there. Aidan has stated that it was, and that she never gave Ken permission to do so, but that he did contact her about it.
Penny said,

January 10, 2009 at 6:18 pm

Tayler made his vlog—I believe between 8:00 and 8:30 a.m. Aidan replied to his vlog letting him know that she was done with editing at 12:11 p.m. Her updated revision vlog was upload at 1:00 p.m. You can check there. Timing elasped…not bad…quick work. I checked her youtube sometime yesterday—never looked at my clock and it was removed. First vlog is gone over there.

Where is Tayler? He needs to answer that himself. He warned beforehand that he would be busy all day at the meeting.

Block Aidan’s orginal vlog? It is not there anymore. Aidan removed the vlog herself. If Aidan did not comply Tayler’s request to edit her vlog…then I am 100% sure that Tayler would blocked her original vlog immediately. She complied and did her job per request. She cooperated with him fully.

About removing comments in Aidan’s original vlog. I can’t answer that. It is between her and him. Comments there did not mention anything about JC. They shared their experience being victim. All comments about JC were removed there many hours ago.

Ken has removed Aidan original vlog last night. He apologized for posting her vlog in Deaf Newspaper WITHOUT Aidan’s permission. His error. Not hers. You can see Ken’s comment in Aidan’s vlog.
A Deaf Pundit said,

January 10, 2009 at 6:25 pm

I confirmed that the vlog has been removed from Deaf Newspaper. It says: “We apologize for the inconvenience this way [sic] have caused you. Thank you.”
Penny said,

January 10, 2009 at 6:25 pm

Correction…Aidan stated in Tayler vlog at 12:11 P.M. yesterday that she was done with editing. Her updated revision vlog was uploaded at 1:00 P.m. But why it did not show up at that time in DVTV? I don’t know. I am not a tech person. But Aidan stated in her comment to Tayler that she is waiting for him to replace her vlog. How that works? I don’t know.
A Deaf Pundit said,

January 10, 2009 at 6:27 pm

I just double-checked the time of when Aidan uploaded her re-edited vlog. It says it was uploaded on DVTV 23 hours ago. So that means it was uploaded at approximately 4:30 pm EST.
Proofreader Missing at Deaf Newspaper said,

January 10, 2009 at 6:28 pm

I went to Ken’s Deaf Newspaper site for the first time.

You call that professional and journalism?

This is exactly what it said with red background:

“THIS VIDEO HAS BEEN REMOVED BY THE USER.

We apologize for the inconvenience this way have caused you. Thank you.”

And I’m not misspelling here.
Thinking said,

January 10, 2009 at 6:29 pm

I want to say that I was able to view Aidan’s original vlog after viewing Tayler’s vlog. Tayler’s vlog already had numerous hits.

I did not pay attention to the times I did view or times these vlogs were posted.

I don’t view stuff at youtube, only on deafvideo thats’ why I did not know JC’s vlog was still on youtube (”supposedly”..still have not checked)

The same Thinking who posted above
A Deaf Pundit said,

January 10, 2009 at 6:33 pm

*laughs at #24* I never said it was a professional or journalistic website. I’m just stating that people want to sue Deaf Newspaper. You’ll have to ask them why.
Penny said,

January 10, 2009 at 6:43 pm

DeafPundit-

It is 2:30 P.M. my time and 23 hours ago would be at 1:30 P.M. in West coast. Am I coorect? I am not good in numbers even in first grade math. Serious. hee hee. In east coast you are right…but remember Aidan told Tayler that she was done (at 12:11 and is waiting for him to upload her second vlog).
Penny said,

January 10, 2009 at 6:45 pm

Ooops…why it waited until 4:30 P.M.? Tayler warned he would be busy at the meeting so perhaps at 4:30 P.M. he was able to upload for her—to repost in DVTV. Tayler can answer this. But as long she complied and cooperated with Tayler…that is all matter to me.
A Deaf Pundit said,

January 10, 2009 at 6:45 pm

Yeah, you have the time figured out right.

I am curious though… why would Aidan need Tayler to upload her vlog? She could’ve just deleted her first one and uploaded the 2nd one by herself.
Penny said,

January 10, 2009 at 6:48 pm

One more…Tayler made his vlog between 8-8:30 a.m. meaning in east coast it was at about 11-11:30 p.m. Aidan replied at 3:11 eastern time however 12:11 P.M. was printed for western time. Her vlog uploaded one hour and 15 minutes later in eastern time so therefore the timing was pretty good.
Penny said,

January 10, 2009 at 6:49 pm

Good question…maybe Tayler wanted to watch the video to make sure she complied his request and not to cause more problems in DVTV? He tried to work things out for everyone. What do you think?
A Deaf Pundit said,

January 10, 2009 at 6:51 pm

I don’t know. I think Aidan needs to answer that question herself, and hopefully when Tayler finishes with his business trip, he will address people’s questions and concerns.
Karen Mayes said,

January 10, 2009 at 6:52 pm

Yes.

I feel bad for all parties involved. However, I don’t condone the name-calling from both sides (so far there seems to be two sides, one for Aidan’s vlog and another against her vlog.) I am appalled at the turn of this event…

I don’t know what to say. I just hope that the parties will find a place and a time to start forgiving and healing.

What a mess.
Penny said,

January 10, 2009 at 7:02 pm

From what I understood from Aidan’s comment to Tayler that she sent him the link and is waiting for him to replace her vlog. I looked the timing and all looked good to me. She sent the link to Tayler so it tells me that he watched her vlog before he posted for her. Maybe that is what he wanted to do first. This is a very new experience for Tayler and I know he tried his best…not perfect but I am sure he will do better next time when comes to situation between surivior and batter. Not easy.
Lisa C. said,

January 10, 2009 at 7:05 pm

Great post!
Katie said,

January 10, 2009 at 7:13 pm

Just play nice! Or, if people want to be mean, then let them. I don’t understand why everyone needs to be involved in shutting people down and censoring them. If Aidan wants to vlog about her domestic violence experience, it’s her perrogative. If the boyfriend wants to call her a B**** then that’s his perrogative. If they want to sue and have a JUDGE censor the other person, fine. Everyone else is not a judge. Just don’t watch the damn vlog if it bothers you. They have the right to say what they want to.
Lisa Grimeau said,

January 10, 2009 at 7:18 pm

A great report! The protest will stop if Aidan’s vlog is removed. Aidan has no compassion for her wrong acts .. she didn’t express to show the feelings. Not at all! However I don’t blame Taylor because he is away and i am sure that he will return to fix it sooner ..as long as taylor is not around to fix the situation, we protest the endless time
White Ghost said,

January 10, 2009 at 7:24 pm

Lisa Grimeau –

That’s my point. She has not shown her compassion for DVTV’s sake. No role model.

The reason why I will not donate Aidan’s film project. Not at all.

That’s real bad example.
Penny said,

January 10, 2009 at 7:30 pm

Aidan’s vlog is to stay. She had to do it because the batter refused to leave her alone. Now it went to the public and I hope batter will leave her alone in her vlogs and in public . She has to do this to save herself. She did not want to do it. She tried to work things out in privately last year.

Tayler listened to vloggers so he compromised and asked Aidan to edit her vlog and removed the batter’s name. She complied Tayler’s request and cooperated with him. Her vlog is to stay….all the way!
Lisa Grimeau said,

January 10, 2009 at 7:39 pm

Penny,

Well she already ruined her bad testimony! No point to keep her vlog in there since she made her very mistakes and we started to think about her story that may be made up and none of them might be true because she showed no expressions about the abuses … she looked like if she WAS not a victim! She smiled in her strange face. Who knows if she just likes to draw our attentions and money! I was also a DV victim and I know what it felt like and I saw her vlog…it made no sense in the way she expressed and the things went bad.
Rebel said,

January 10, 2009 at 7:47 pm

hi everyone !

my guess Tayler is a coward cuz he is afarid of deaf vloggers are waiting for his answer ???

Rebel
A Deaf Pundit said,

January 10, 2009 at 7:48 pm

Rebel,

Tayler’s gone on a business trip. Knowing him, he will respond to this when he can.
Rebel said,

January 10, 2009 at 7:49 pm

One more thing to say somehing !

look like Talyer is the God himself and order to ASLeveryday to build a wooden boat as ARK then Taylor will swipe away with his tnusuna deaf vloggers away !!!
Lisa Grimeau said,

January 10, 2009 at 7:51 pm

Rebel

You makes my day! Good to laugh, though… you Humor of this ..lol
Penny said,

January 10, 2009 at 8:00 pm

Lisa-

If Aidan made up stories like this then she would be in a deep trouble. She can’t lie things like that. I trust her that she has evidences in her file. Someone mentioned recently that the batter was evicted from Gallaudet due to stalking. I do not need proof. It is very common that survivors get accused for being liar…making up stories and etc so what is going on in DVTV does not surprise me to see react to Aidan. Survivors go through this many times from their friends and families. Very true and yes very sad.

You can’t judge people’s emotions. I know few friends of mine that when they get upset…they laugh…but for me …when I get upset…I cry…I used strong words to show my emotions but it does not mean that those who laugh have no emotions. Everyone deals their own emotion in different ways.
jerome cain said,

January 10, 2009 at 8:00 pm

Penny, I am full of life. I love to see the world than chase that person. That person ought to back off from our fight for our asl political movement because that person got severed illness that we can not afford to have our political movement to be destroy because of,… hope this will help you, penny.
Penny said,

January 10, 2009 at 8:01 pm

to see their reaction to Aidan.
Misha said,

January 10, 2009 at 8:05 pm

Penny,

He is NOT the batter, just “alleged” since he was NOT even convicted guilty of that crime. Get the facts together. Therefore she shouldn’t put his name and face in her original video. It was wrong on the many levels. Her original video is STILL THERE. She could have very well remove it LAST NIGHT. But nooo, she refuses and instead posted her second edited video eventually. HELLO! She has no courtesy nor respect to remove the FIRST video. Also, what’s more? Once everyone saw her original video, do they forget it? NO! They DON’T forget once she posted her second edited video, hence they knew WHO she was talking about. That is so f’cking OBVIOUS! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK HEAD!

I believe it should be more fair for BOTH Aidan’s and Cain’s videos to be removed at the SAME TIME, period….END OF DISCUSSION! Let someone who specializes in DV post the educational video on DV issues, PERIOD!

That is why the protest had started last night ONCE she posted her second video.

Misha
freezepop said,

January 10, 2009 at 8:06 pm

Frankly, Mr. Cain has a legal grounds to seek monetary damages from Adian Mack, DeafNewspapers.com, and Tayler InfoMedia,Inc. for Defamation, Slander and Libel suit. There is no reasonable doubt involved since there is a slam dunk case.
>>>J.C. get a lawyer ASAP plus restraining order immediately.<<<
Viable, Inc. may be liable in terms of contractual agreement between Tayler Infomedia, Inc. since there was NONE stated as “Terms of Condition” or Legal TERMS on Deafvideo.tv or Deafread.com. Viable is liable by sponsoring website which does not provide “Terms of Condition” or “Legal” or “User Agreement” online.
Tayler is liable since he announced his vlog about Adian and JC. He acknowledged and requested a removal scene of JC’s vlog under Adian’s DV vlog. Legally, once exposed in public cannot be reedited and it has to be removed 100% if there’s abusive or inappropriate vlog. Tayler didn’t removed it all at the same time so legally, he’s bounded under the Defamation, Slander and Libel along with Adian Mack and Deaf Newspaper.com
Unfortunately, for those who are liable are paying a serious price and it’s too late to reverse it or rectify the situation.
Freezepop
Rebel said,

January 10, 2009 at 8:09 pm

Huh ??? Tayler is still busniess hismelf ? where is his pee break time or smoking break ?? Come on !!! move his flat butt up ASAP !

Support protest deaf vloggers !!!
UnAidan Fan said,

January 10, 2009 at 8:12 pm

Penny supports Aidan, because she hates Barry. If not for Barry, she would see the truths of what Aidan has done to many deaf people. Bay Area deaf people like DrMzz, Ella Lentz, David E, and Penny. They always leave BS supportive comments encouraging Aidan to continue pulling down people who disagree with them.

In her vlogs, she clearly has no compassion for people. She is very selfish and self-centred person. She always tries to damage people’s reputation. She always brown noses the famous deaf people and praise them. Michael Kemp? Did she really know him? I doubt.

Aidan lies through her teeth all the time. I know her from the past. She always make up stories or get angry easily if she does not get her way.

I agree with Misha it is not fair of Taylor to remove JC’s vlog and left Aidan’s vlog alone. He could have removed her vlog immediately and have her upload a new version. I support DVTV people to protest against Aidan. She does a lot of damage to the deaf community for three years. She does know how to manipulate her readers and Taylor. I have a strong feeling that Taylor is really afraid of her and thinks she may make a vlog on Taylor like she did to tohers who challenged her. A strong advocatee wearing a mask.
Rebel said,

January 10, 2009 at 8:17 pm

Oh Yeah !!!! Taylor is the slave for the Queen Aidan !!!

Go Rebelious deaf Vloggers !!!
IamMine said,

January 10, 2009 at 8:17 pm

So this is for political purpose, Jerome?

I recall reading a comment on Julie Ann’s (Lefsotribe) vblog stating that Aidan had BPD before she removed her entire post. This prompted Aidan to do a vlog, showing her old film of depression. She made comments that she didn’t have it.

You were the one who told people she had it… so this had been going on for some time.

You said it had to be done to save your political movement.

I am a DV victim and this hit me hard and I dwelt on it for two days.

I am saddened to see this big mess. However important DV is to me, this is getting out of control.

I hope Aidan would consider taking it down – it is getting very ugly and out of control.

Things should not be done for political purposes, period.
Penny said,

January 10, 2009 at 8:26 pm

Misha-

I would appreciate that you do not yell at me. I will do the same here.

Aidan has her facts together. We can’t ask her to show it to us. If the batter said it is not true then he needs to get an attorney.

Aidan had her original vlog removed. She even removed her original vlog from you tube as well. She didn’t have to do but she did it anyway. If she had her original vlog removed from DVTV then it would be offensive to survivors because they were extremely brave for sharing their stories in public.

Aidan have already removed all comments about JC in her original vlog. She did her part. Tayler did his part. He heard you and had asked Aidan to remove the batter’s name from her first vlog.
jerome cain said,

January 10, 2009 at 8:27 pm

Yes, I care for DV completely. It is dangerous for any people with illness that they thinks they are DV which they are not. It happened for people to us dv to be able to have a new friend or anything that s why i am clear that people will need to know and be more aware which DV is no joke even illness is no joke too even mentally abuse is no joke too.
Lisa Grimeau said,

January 10, 2009 at 8:28 pm

UnAidan Fan

I can see your point clearly about how Aidan damaged many deaf vloggers in her very manipulately way…as a very clever and foxy ‘innocence looking’.. I know how her games work… i had my fake friends who had done the very same evil work…and now I am not afraid of Aidan because i used to this very painful issues many time and knowing how to defend yourself (or myself) after i experienced in this similar situation… dont be afraid of her , every body…we hold to each other as a team and not let her do her dirty job on us … she will see to a fact that her dirty job is destroying herself , not us!
Penny said,

January 10, 2009 at 8:28 pm

Iammine…I want Aidan’s vlog to stay all the way so we can send a strong message and remind ourselves that violence is no longer tolerated. This is important message and vlog must stay. I hope Tayler will be firm about this.
IamMine said,

January 10, 2009 at 8:29 pm

Correction above: I am a DV survivor.

I meant to use “was”. But I think survivor is a better term.

Thanks!
UnAidan Fan said,

January 10, 2009 at 8:30 pm

I bet you one million dollars. Taylor and Aidan will use an excuse saying that they were gone all the weekend and have no ideas of what’s going on.

Taylor, be brave and remove Aidan’s vlog. Stop the favorism and the scare. Aidan’s vlogs should be banned from Deafread and DVTV like you did with Ridor. Just it!
freezepop said,

January 10, 2009 at 8:30 pm

I have one BIG Question!!!! Why don’t Adian Mack provide a police report or some kind of proof from the legal enforcements that Domestic V was held since it is a public information and “EVERYBODY’S Business”!

Adian Mack, SHOW US PAPERS if none, then she has no legal right to accuse Mr. Cian!

Done Deal!
IamMine said,

January 10, 2009 at 8:37 pm

The same could be said of you, jerome.

You have no evidence that shows the counselor said it, but your words.

It’s hearsay.

Now Aidan too. I am not saying it didn’t happen but as someone pointed out, we are not the court.

Let the legal folks take care of this.

Penny, I agree that it is very very important and DV is NOT to be tolerated, period.

But this is getting out of control, Penny.

Even the DV survivors are objecting.

Do do?
Thinking said,

January 10, 2009 at 8:40 pm

I do remember the DVTV commenter, Strepolis7 (now changed to JefftheDH) commenting that he knew Aidan Mack from the Gallaudet days and he said that’s the way she has been and still is. (just want to mention that he is another person who has observed Adian.
Ann_C said,

January 10, 2009 at 8:46 pm

It never ceases to amaze me what should have been kept private exposes the many axes people on DR and DVTV have to grind.

This isn’t about DVTV or DR.

It’s not about Tayler and his so-called power trip.

It’s not about DeafHope or Deafhood or the Bay Area crowd.

It’s not about who’s to blame.

The two antagonists should never have publicly aired their dirty laundry on DVTV in the first place.

But they both have aired their dispute deliberately to cull sympathy/ support for one side or the other. Shameless pandering, IMHO, and it’s evident that the two individuals have not dealt with their dispute honorably. And this has gone on for 15+ years? Who’s to respect here?
Penny said,

January 10, 2009 at 8:48 pm

Iammine-

I do not want proof from you if you are a survivor too. I believe you. Just like that. I want to say more but I am concern for the survivor so I need to be careful here. I agree with you that it is getting out of control in DVTV but now the public can see how survivors would be treated by the society. Scary.

There are some vloggers…no name here did name calling to Tayler and Aidan. Do you find this ironic because they were ones who wanted Ridor to be banned due to his name calling on some people in DVTV? They asked Tayler to set rules about name calling. Do do with them? I am curious.
A Deaf Pundit said,

January 10, 2009 at 8:50 pm

I agree with you, Ann_C.

If it was up to me, I would’ve deleted BOTH vlogs, and suspended them both for a while so they could cool off.

This is why I called this a riot. :p
UnAidan Fan said,

January 10, 2009 at 8:50 pm

I amMine,

I am a DV survivor of two bad relationships. I OBJECT Aidan’s vlog on DC. She smiled, even smirked during her presentation. DV is a serious and saddening issue. She has no business to smile. If she was a true victim, she would not show her teeth. Bad PR and role model.

The bottomline is Aidan continues to cause damages especially to deaf women or people who disgree with her. You are one of those women she put down. I remember it clearly. You know the truth.

What Aidan did to some deaf people, who are gaining some kind of attention or fame is ABUSE! You are one of her victims. Do not deny it.
White Ghost said,

January 10, 2009 at 8:53 pm

Penny, I don’t care if you are talking about Ridor who is now banned from DVTV.

It’s getting out of control at DVTV. Tayler/Jared should jump in to solve the problems within 24 hours. What do they doing when they are not at the meeting? Parties, Parties, Parties…..What did they doing at night? Why does it take so long?

No adults and DVTV left behind……
White Ghost said,

January 10, 2009 at 8:55 pm

Oh yeah, Riots, DP at 8:50 PM
IamMine said,

January 10, 2009 at 8:57 pm

I understand, Penny.

I think that one could express about DV without naming a person.

Unless you have proof…otherwise, you run the risk of getting sued.

Aidan should seek legal actions and if Aidan is not telling the truth, then JC should seek legal action.

If I name a person in my DV vlog without evidence, then I run the risk of getting sued.

I didn’t see the comments naming Tayler and Aidan, but I agree that if they violated the guideline of name calling, then they should be banned. Just like ridor.
Penny said,

January 10, 2009 at 9:04 pm

White Ghost-

Tayler made a vlog yesterday to follow up the situation between Mack and Cain. Tayler would be in a meeting all day. Vloggers have right to ask questions, for clarification, or to express concerns…I agree but as an adult do you they should show their courtesy and give Tayler some time to answer their questions or conerns between 24-72 hours? In work place, I can’t expect my supervisor to answer my e-mail on same day. I used to wait for few days before I heard from them. Now how vloggers behaved and did name calling Tayler…I can understand why he is not replying to any of them.
Penny said,

January 10, 2009 at 9:10 pm

Iammine-

I agree with you. I trust Aidan that she has proof and does not need to show it to us. I don’t want to read her papers. I trust her judgment. I am sure that she would not want to take the risk and be sued. She tried to work things out in private last year and when things got out of control she did a vlog like she was yelling for help. I don’t blame her and she did not do illegal too. She did her homework as she called the hotline so she is not in trouble. Ok. I will let Tayler take care of the rest re; name calling. I don’t wish to name here etc. Thanks.
IamMine said,

January 10, 2009 at 9:11 pm

Yes, UnAidan Fan, she did mock me but didn’t name me – reacting to my humorous Deafhood vlog.

I am not denying that she has a tendency to use other people’s faces/names.

I agree that it is unfortunate she used JC’s vlog in her DV video and wish it didn’t happen. But the information is very important to share for DV issues.

But it is getting out of control. It is not productive at this point.
White Ghost said,

January 10, 2009 at 9:20 pm

Yes, Iammine.

However, Aidan challenged and named JC in her vlog (Domestic Violence) at this point. It was pure wrong example. She knows that. To me that it is kinda dangerous example. That makes me to learn more and more afraid of her.

Aidan should have talked to Tayler in private. Otherwise, Tayler would have reprimanded JC in private. It is unfortunate that it was too late.

Unfortunately, it was, still is getting out of control.

It’s the mental game overall. Not productive at all.
Billy said,

January 10, 2009 at 9:31 pm

I don’t get it. I could not remember when the incident happened. Maybe some time around October, Jerome and Ridor tainted a real young vlogger, Letsgofly, RIT student. Jerome exposed Letsgofly to the cyberworld. You won’t believe how degrading comments Jerome and Ridor made. (I am not going to say the cause) Imagine.. being exposed when you are in college… deaf students, teachers, and staffs look at you — no loved ones around you — just his girlfriend probably have doubt about him.

The vloggers – so called DVTV family, did do nothing. As matter of fact, some of them laughed.

Well Jerome, I guess Karma’s bitch. Now you know how Letsgofly felt back then. You should pay him an apology!! Apologize to him in Vlog!!
Thinking said,

January 10, 2009 at 11:39 pm

Letsgofly posted a ASL vlog story about a “Deaf” NYC couple in NYC during 9/11 that he heard from a NTID teacher (lol).

Letsgofly did not know it was an urban legend, slightly changed to that the couple were Deaf. Story was about the husband, who worked in the WTC area, having an affair and returning home to his wife who believed he was dead due to the WTC attacks.

Ridor and Jerome used to live in NYC so they knew what NYC was like such as the subway system shutdown esp during 9/11 so they set Letsgofly straight.
Thinking said,

January 10, 2009 at 11:44 pm

Ridor believed Letsgofly was from somewhere rural as no one in a big urban area would believe that legend. He found out who Letsgofly was and where he was from….Ridor mentioned just Letsgofly’s first name and the state (no last name and city)…I don’t recall it was Jerome…it was Ridor who got an email from someone who knew Letsgofly.
Thinking said,

January 11, 2009 at 12:07 am

Billy, I just looked at Letsgofly08 vlog…and reviewed all of Jerome’s comments and saw nothing bad… Jerome does not need to apologize to Letsgofly.
Billy said,

January 11, 2009 at 12:57 am

It was under Ridor’s vlog when he called Letsgofly out and made an announcement that he had an affair. defamation?? Jerome came on and kept blasting him. Ridor and Jerome team tagged all the way.
UnAidan Fan said,

January 11, 2009 at 2:22 am

IamMine,

Stop babying Aidan. She did you wrong. No names or not. Everyone could figure out what’ s going on, baby. Stop play being innocent. You know how eveil Aidian is. XXXX

DP here: I caught this a bit too late.. but I am not going to allow name calling. Hence the edit.
jerome cain said,

January 11, 2009 at 4:29 am

billy… letsgofly and I are friend now as we narrow to each other as we are friend. it was all about mock that ridor made,… that is my view. he is like sat night live. mocking which is different than,… Hoped this helps?
DeafCanadian said,

January 11, 2009 at 6:39 am

Sigh..look look, they are bunch of deaf children of DVTV and when two regular vloggin’ kids had a big fight over this issue while mommy is out or busy – maybe who knows she might abandoned them for good? Within 24 friggin’ hours, they got out of control and went crazy because they can’t live without being on the internet/cyperspace so they are addicted to it, PERIOD! Get a life, you XXXX DVTV kids1 hey hey… Hold on.. I can tell you guys are getting all over me – calm down and read more.

Domestic Violence is not a joke at all. We, all men, shall never hit on woman at all! I know some bitches out there who can press some buttons on some of us… we can always walk away from them, ignoring or deal with it… whatever but do not hit on woman or a kid. Hey, did you guys notice in sports there are very rare women complete with men? Does they boxing each other? Basketball? Baseball? Soccer? etc (I don’t mean to degrade any of you, ladies but…some women does have some of their successes in sports like ice hockey – two ladies made in men’s pro league for short time, race drivers in big league, female refs in pro basketball and few others). Anyway, what I was trying to get my point across was because of our strengths in us, men… we do not hurt women who are capable of giving these beautiful children to the world! If you get pissed off or anything.. break a object, punch on the wall or anything… go to gym, jogging, or whatever instead taking on her or a kid!
I bet you guys have heard of this story about “the boy and a wolf”? It have been around for several decades now so I don’t have to tell this story.. that’s where parents should tell the story to their children at bedtime!

Anyway, it is a very serious offensive and victim should have gone to police and identity that person who did to him/her or whatever but in this case it was years ago.

To some of DVTV Children (protesters), I do feel sorry for Aidan Mack because it must be hard for her to watch the offender comes on DVTV all the time in vlogs, and in some of comments under other vlogs for couple years at DVTV – Everyone’s favorite deaf internet show! Yet, she said nothing about that person for months…

And finally, couple of nights ago… she revealed the biggest “truth” under someone’s vlog where she named the abuser who gave the scare of her life when she’s young…yes, it is domestic violence (I hope it is not a make-up story as it is very serious matter, Aidan). The abuser/offender quickly pointed that she had a disease/illness and he did counted up to 10 then he “____” her soooo at that point, he just confessed that he did count to 10 then he did to her…. in one of his comments under somewhere. Aidan took an opportunity to share more detailed to some commenters on how he did to her there at DVTV and it sounds very serious to some of us!

Aidan had every right to express her feelings toward him and tells everyone about her story in her own words as a vlogger and the abuser/offender did defended himself by accusing her of this kind of illness she has and he even admitted he did touched her in a way not because of her illness or whatever but he did counted to 10 and etc…what is the f is that?

Ok, How do you feel if a deaf kid named dan saw your comment, then next day, he bumps into other kid and tell him to get out of way but this kid refused… so dan counts from 1, 2 , 3…. to 10 very quickly and punch right in his face or whatever. Dan tells the teacher/judge/police that he did counted up to 10 then he did it to a kid as he thinks he have the rights to do anything to the kid after he counted up to 10 and they asked him where do you learn that from..he would said it was from one of vlogs he saw on internet. – it is so screwed up, right? It can be told in many different situations for everyone… from men to men, boy to boy, boy to girl, men to women, and women to men!

Who cares about illness/disease/problems that person have… you can’t walk up to a person and tell him/her that you have this kind of illness blah blah or you have the symptoms of this kind of illness unless you are a good friend and tell him/her in a nice way like maybe we can help you or maybe u should seek someone for a help or etc – a human being should never hit on other human being unless they both agree to engage in a fighting environment like boxing or ufc but still men will NEVER complete against women in this kind of sports! You have no right to make a decision or reveal this kind of illness against a person or not unless it is in court or among doctors/police/other law enforcements whatever. In many cases, these kind of words that was often used against offenders to get off from getting stiff penalties – I once read an article that women even use “PMS” in their cases against whatever happened to them in these situations.

Now.. that’s where it is getting out of control…

Aidan,

As a screenwriter /filmmaker (one of my hobbies)– I’m disappointed in you big time! Before I go there…I respect your bravery and a survivor of domestic violence like others out there in the world which are still happening everyday! To you guys, GET OUT OF THE RELATIONSHIP AND BE FREE LIKE A BIRD BEFORE TOO LATE!

But….the way you tells the story, and edited some stuff with the software for your first domestic violence vlog is totally wrong! It sent some mixed messages to other domestic violence victims and revealed that abuser’s face on the video..yet, you didn’t include the information and stuff on the video – it was obviously a personal target to that person and you might not think things through very clearly. You might have put others in danger as what if they decide to do same thing you did by showing/reveal the offender’s face on their vlogs or whatever and get themselves in serious trouble with offenders or accusers or whatever – they are exposed their selves on videos and accuse someone else that did to them and get themselves killed! If something happens, GO TO POLICE or CALL FOR HELP!

It should be done by bunch of professionals or maybe little more research or homework wont hurt ya. It will eventually help you understand better and u might save someone’s life by giving out the information for them to contact for help if it happens to them. You could be a better filmmaker by telling the story in a better way by helping others with rich of information and contacts – maybe take a look at many different videos made by others about domestic violence, MADD, women against violence, women with cancer or whatever – they are done in a proper way since these topics are very very serious like domestic violence, rapes, abuses, and others.

As a beginner or professional filmmaker/vlogger or whatever, you should know that using a video camera by a person can be a very powerful tool to use in media world. Yes, it is still a dangerous tool to use – it can mislead to somewhere or whatever! So be careful with whatever you are shooting or think before you tell the world! Media is still controlling our lives with these messages and etc.

Second domestic violence vlog you made was better than last one but I kinda wish you should have apologize to others for your actions with first one and re-do it over again to show everyone that you do care about others and make an announcement about more information and contacts..etc.

Unfortunately, you already screwed first one up and already got 1,000+ views at DVTV and 350+ at deafnewspaper.com with improper information and made a lame effort to do little editing on second video and hope it’s good enuff to air second one after the meeting with the moderator of DVTV – it is not acceptable! You should have think twice before you post second one!

To moderator of DVTV…it might be your most difficult decision to make for the DVTV but you screwed it up big time but hey it is not your fault – I understand your position and I respect ya but it is out of control big time because your children have became too attached to DVTV in a short time. At least, you should have say something to calm your kids down or something instead leaving them alone in the house. It is not your fault that it happened… like I said, media is most powerful thing in the world right now, and it is easy to use and cause some confusion everywhere! You should have remove BOTH of their posts and tell aidan to come up with a new video of domestic violence in a positive way and post new tread at DVTV with new comments.

To all protesters of DVTV – Is that what you guys are doing to others?? If someone makes a simple mistake with their video and all the sudden, you guys are marching around with torches and signs to remove the post, ban that person… or we quit DVTV! What a bunch of crybabies! What happens to freedom of speech or whatever? Protesting against DVTV, send threats to destroy DVTV? It wont help others – it will scare some new vloggers away. What’s wrong with you guys? Quit acting like bunch of little kids and act like an adult… simply ignore it and move on! It’s up to the moderator that made the decision no matter what it is.. good or bad decision, it’s up to the creator or DVTV.

At least, Aidan edited her vlog and re-posted on DVTV and new user/viewer will come in and take a look at her vlog and know nothing about what happens in the PAST? But it is too late because DVTV protesters already destroy it with all of unnecessary comments under her vlogs. We all already knew about it and there’s nothing we can do about it because it already aired on the DVTV for just two days and almost all of us saw it. Now it is part of past, and we need to learn to move on! Banning others or remove post wont help us… what will helps us to be a better community?? Criticize each others with positive attitude and helps others to be a better vlogger or ignore others by not leaving a comment or whatever.

Oh maybe..teach them the ways to be a better vlogger or come up with a great video presentation!

Right now, DVTV is running by older adults at most, and they are acting like kids out there – shouting/singing DRAMA DRAMA all over the places if one person made a mistake then they sing the song – they don’t know how to ignore others and act like one…that’s alright, guys.. no offence to you guys – I’m in 30’s and I have been around the internet for 15 years. Believe me, I have been seen many many worse things out there since internet began in late 90’s. Take a good look at other forums and etc out there – hearing people have been put nasty comments toward others and make fun of celebrities, famous people, infamous people etc for years…they eventually moved on. You know why? Because they are all just words out there in the internet which are way different than being out there in REAL WORLD and they uses screennames that no one know who they are besides they are few years ahead of us! Using video comments or vlogs are a gut move in the internet world right now and it can destroy someone in a second easily.. it’s dangerous backyard! You all need to be educated little better than that!

Red flags for comments are immature; red flagging at youtube is stupid, too unless it’s something do with copyright issues. DVTV is a fucked place where everyone will always be confused no matter what… you know why? By removing video from youtube where some won’t able to play the video and some of them leave the post there with all comments under it. It is hard for others to follow with the conservations. It is leading to nowhere with this kind of communication.
Some are flagging some comments and some comments got bump up with different numbers which causes some misunderstanding among of us in there like someone try to reply to #12 or #14 and it is not match with the conservation.

All of you at DVTV are bunch of XXXX.. really! That’s why I have lot of respect for the moderator of DVTV bec at beginning of the project for DVTV, he wanted it to be open to anyone and using their COMMON SENSE in many ways but unfortunately, it came with bunch of rules and limited of freedom which reminds me of this movie called “lord of the flies”.

Bottom line – Leave as it is! All comments and posts SHOULD stay there forever.. no matter how ugly they are, at the end.. hopefully it will a lesson to others and etc. they will eventually learn to tone it down with their approach as a vlogger or commenter. Removing them or flag them will never make things better that way! It will repeat the circle of the vloggin’ over again for newcomers and old vloggers. Every person is responsible for their actions, PERIOD! It will teach others to think first before saying anything out there!

Sorry for a long comment… Have a great weekend!
- A Deaf Pundit said,
  
  January 11, 2009 at 12:59 pm
  
  The name calling needs to stop. You’re welcome to express your opinions, but I will not allow further name calling.
hedor said,

January 11, 2009 at 10:04 am

the protesters act like childish. They just want adian mack to shut up about Domestic Violence in DVTV. I do not understand why they act like children who did not get what adian wanted to express about her experiences with some people. Those children just like a group of religious practice–like today at in the middle east–extreme Islamic want to shut them up and abusing anything they wanted them then bombing at who they hated for their freedom of expression and signing!

come on! people you are all very childish outcry out for Tayler! It is educational for all of people.
Former ASLisRisen said,

January 11, 2009 at 10:20 am

Wow, Hedor! Good points about religious practice! Let you know that I already left my video comment from this DVTV link:
http://www.deafvideo.tv/video/watch/33253/

Where is Amy? She should learn how to stand up and be strong to protect herself from this DVTV link: http://www.deafvideo.tv/video/watch/14349/

So we can learn ourselves how to be strong and stand up to protect ourselves (not shut up ourselves and be fear). That’s my point.

But I do NOT know if Aidan Mack did email to Amy personally first place before Aidan Mack vlogged that last July????
Pabalo said,

January 11, 2009 at 10:34 am

It sadden me because many of you gave your support to the predator. I am a guy but I cant believe how those people give their supports to a person who did injury a woman. I am sure Jerome lived in an apt, he could go next door and asked someone to call the police.
deafmommy said,

January 11, 2009 at 11:23 am

hi,

It is rather unfortunate that some commentators are protesting simply because Taylor made a decision that did not please them. When other vloggers were banned, some commentators were very pleased and beamed at how proud they were at succeeding in convincing Taylor to ban them. Now when Taylor made a decision, they are literally screaming and angry at him for not being fair. Well, he wasn’t fair when he banned some vloggers and wouldn’t let them vlog at why they believed they should not have been banned. Now some commentators are grumbling at why Taylor isn’t even responding back to them, they should know how these banned vloggers felt.

Taylor needs to stop playing the censorship king. Look at what is happening. It is probably a very stressful and hurtful for Taylor to experience. Put yourself in his shoes. Ahh, I wouldn’t want to be in his shoes. If I were to run a service like DVTV, I would not play the censorship king, it is a lot of work and emotions involved especially in this community.

People need to face painful and sensitive issues, DV is one of them, and some of them just simply cannot deal with it. I don’t know if Aidan did the right thing to expose her ex boyfriend on vlog or not, I don’t know if it is legal or not but many people do not often win in courts and lawyers are very expensive.

Jerome had the right to defend himself in his vlog as well as Aidan had right to talk about DV. Now if it matters, I don’t know if it was done properly, it was the plan they chose and they will learn from it including all of us.

It seems that some commentators have difficulty in maintaing intellectual discussions. Some discussions are painful, powerful, invoking and uncomfortable but this is how we learn new things and perhaps change our views. Is it something we need to work on having these kinds of conversations and to expand our intellectual discourses?

Even if Taylor makes unpopular decisions, we just have to let it go. If he was not a censorship king, this would not have happened, he would be off the hook, he wouldn’t have to make these kinds of decisions, the community could make decisions and discuss them.
Mishkazena said,

January 11, 2009 at 1:00 pm

Calling a bunch of Deaf adults ‘children’???

Lord of the Flies?

Wow, the choice of words reflects a lot about your attitude toward Deaf adults.

Nice… not.

Let’s not get personal about the people’s character, protesters or not, and address to the topic.
A Deaf Pundit said,

January 11, 2009 at 1:10 pm

And by the way Hedor, really? This is educational? I read your message to Insane Misha on her Facebook. You wrote and I quote you:

Listen–sometimes we need some drama in dvtv. It has been dead bored until mack brings something to get our attention. I understand how u feel to put someone in her vlog. However it gives us aware about him as abuser or not. Can u find out if it is all true about him.

Seems to me that people WANT this to happen, because they are too bored, according to your own words, Hedor.
deafmommy said,

January 11, 2009 at 3:39 pm

Ahh what is the difference between DeafRead and DeafVideo — at DeafRead in the past we had some controversial bloggers/issues — there was no mention of a protest or banning a blogger but with DeafVideo, why is it happening over there? What is the difference???
White Ghost said,

January 11, 2009 at 4:38 pm

Really, Hedor?

What about the Prop 8 protestors in California? You would call them if they either act like children or act like childish?

Don’t call every DVTV protestors if they either are children or act like childish!

You have a lot to think about it.

As for Taylor…..I am pretty disappointed in him. He does not follow the Equal *DVTV* Opportunity’s (aka EEO) rules. I agree with deafmommy’s second paragraph at 11:23am.
A Deaf Pundit said,

January 11, 2009 at 6:17 pm

Deafmommy,

I didn’t see your 2nd comment until now. There’s been suggestions of banning bloggers from DeafRead in the past. Look at the end for 3 v/blog posts I made last year, blasting John Egbert’s attempt to censor some blogs from DeafRead.

There’s not a lot of difference between DR and DVTV that I can see.

http://deafpundit.wordpress.com/2007/12/16/baaaaaad-idea-john-egbert/

http://deafpundit.wordpress.com/2007/12/17/more-of-bad-ideas/

http://deafpundit.wordpress.com/2007/12/18/jerks-vs-deficit-thinkers/
deafmommy said,

January 11, 2009 at 6:34 pm

Deaf Pundit,

Thanks for refreshing my mind on this, I had forgotten all about it. What was so interesting is that Tayler didn’t get involved, no one asked him to ban any bloggers, is that right?

Life has to go on, we all have lives outside of the Internet, it is not worth getting embroiled over it and banning people for their outspoken opinions. It is nice to have diversity, differing views, opinions and then have the respect back and forth.
A Deaf Pundit said,

January 11, 2009 at 7:01 pm

John Egbert and his friends did ask Tayler to ban a few bloggers. He refused. There’s been a lot of anger against Tayler for his actions, and I’ve seen comments around the blogosphere claiming this is the reason why there are so few vlogs on DR now.

I agree with you in general. Most of the time, it is not worth banning people. It’s my opinion, and only my opinion though… JC and Aidan were both wrong. They crossed the line, and they damaged each other’s reputations big time. This belongs in the courts, NOT on DVTV or DR.

What happened between them is pretty extreme, so I think in this situation, Tayler does need to do something about both of them.

And at any rate, Barry really blew the protest when he brought in the issue of DBC and Deafhood. Those two have NOTHING to do with the JC/Aidan situation. So pretty much, the protest’s now lost steam.
White Ghost said,

January 11, 2009 at 7:10 pm

Well, DP, I saw RedSpainLady’s recent vlog, “ASLeveryday is my hero bravo!!!!! and IMO, it is not appropriate example. Nah-nah, boo-boo. At this point, unless if there is a legal/court action, things would be a different situation.

I find RedSpainLady’s recent vlog is a bad tasteful.

So, the damage is done for its own good. I honestly don’t think it will repair this situation that occurred recently.
Karen Mayes said,

January 11, 2009 at 7:57 pm

Enough of blaming. Protesters made their choice. Fine.

I know some of us are upset at what happened in DVTV, but there is NO need to go melodramatic, blaming, etc. Signing Circle Cult? Deafhood? What a joke. Once the terms “signing circle” and “deafhood” were brought into the mess, it quickly became meaningless and diverted attention away from two vloggers, adding more fuel to an already raging fire.

When I first viewed Aidan’s vlog about DV, I thought it was GOOD until she brought JC’s name up and then I went… huh oh…because if there were NO records from the court (any records from courts tend to be public unless otherwise), it could open grounds for possible lawsuits for libel. Unfortunately, the turmoil happened. I did not join any sides. I have to admit I got suspicious at JC’s getting too involved and continued leaving comments about Aidan’s well being, which was NOT right. I don’t want to see Aidan being brought down in that way. Yes, I know about the need for fairness, etc. But the problem is that it got too personal… SO personal that some protesters got uncomfortable and decided to step down.

We need cool heads.

Right now, I see DVTV is concentrating on football games ;o) Tayler will take care of the situation when he is good and ready.

Take care.
freezepop said,

January 11, 2009 at 8:05 pm

The biggest reason why Taylor isn’t responding is because he’s here to make money with # of visitors per day. His unique visitors per day has spiked and he likes that. I don’t blame him and I would have done the same thing. Negative press brings positive results.
He’s playing GOD!
IamMine said,

January 11, 2009 at 8:06 pm

Uh…DP, can you do something about the word limits for comments?

I agree, Karen.

I’ll be looking forward to Tayler’s next vlog.
A Deaf Pundit said,

January 11, 2009 at 8:14 pm

Deaf Canadian,

I deleted your latest comment – I am not going to allow this to turn into a flame war. You got something to say?

Do it without name-calling or insults. Period.
Ann_C said,

January 11, 2009 at 9:24 pm

It’s one thing to discuss domestic violence or mental illness online, another thing to attach a personal dispute to these topics online.

When it gets personal with naming names and picturing an “alleged” abuser, with comment stalking on another’s vlog, etc. it makes me question these individuals’ agendas.

It was the intention of both parties to hurt each other and try to ruin the other’s rep in the community. That’s what it came down to.

Then both parties tried to elicit support for his/her side (she calling her dispute with an ex a domestic violence issue, he calling his dispute a mental illness issue on her part), which is shameless pandering.

Subsequently, all kinds of people suddenly had axes to grind– Tayler playing God, conspiracies by DeafHope, Deafhood, or the Bay Area crowd, the Signing Circle’s views, vlog/blog banning history got dredged up, the whole gamut of blame, you-name-it, it played.

The sad thing of all is that these two individuals who dragged their personal dispute into DVTV have lost a lot of credibility. I just wonder how either is going hold his/her head up after this mess.
White Ghost said,

January 11, 2009 at 9:50 pm

Yes, Ann_C. You mentioned in the last paragraph of yours is right. That’s what I said in this blog, it will not repair the situation that occurred recently in the DVTV.

In the back of my head, if Aidan talks with Tayler in private without the original vlog on DV, and then,Tayler reprimand JC, nothing would have happened in the DVTV. Nothing would have whirlwind as well….

It’s unfortunate that it was out of control that Aidan made the 1st vlog on JC near the end.

It’s sad.
Bobby said,

January 11, 2009 at 9:58 pm

Hey Deaf Pundit,
Oh yes, I saw all the Deaf protest on DeafvideoTV. That is not easy for hard challenge. I hope that Tayler will figure out how to resolve it soon.
Thank for special report,
Bobby L.
DeafThumbsupLopez.
Penny said,

January 11, 2009 at 11:26 pm

Whiteghost-

Aidan talked with Tayler in private about her situation with the batter last May. She stated in his vlog last friday that if Tayler took care of it last May then things would have never happened in DVTV last week and this weekend. Like I said, I believe it is a new experience for Tayler when the victim is being stalked by the batter. I trust that he will not repeat this in the future. It is really tough for him and everyone.
Thou Doth Protest Too Much « Candy said,

January 12, 2009 at 12:19 am

[...] so to speak. One example would be the protest that is currently going on in Deaf Video TV (DVTV.) However, that very protest is also trying to change public opinion among it’s [...]
deafnet said,

January 12, 2009 at 2:26 am

I find this interesting about post #98 by Freezepop… Good guess…
White Ghost said,

January 12, 2009 at 10:13 am

Penny,

It has nothing to do with the “last may” issue.

Aidan is an adult. At this point, as soon as she saw JC in the comment area, she should have talked with Tayler quickly.
Ecnarb said,

January 12, 2009 at 1:08 pm

Deafpundit,
Yes, that’s the right information.

Thank you and here’s my story…

http://www.deafvideo.tv/video/watch/33350/

Ecnarb
Tayler said,

January 12, 2009 at 1:12 pm

Thanks DeafPundit for reporting on this. You did it pretty accurately. It was also informative to read all the comments to get everyone’s opinion.

One thing for certain, incidents on either DeafRead or DeafVIDEO.TV are almost always more complicated than it shows itself to be – even beyond my own knowledge. So through all the blaming and accusations, the truth gets buried too deeply. This is why one needs to remain unbiased as much as possible and try – I say TRY – to treat everyone fairly under unimaginable pressure.

I’ve been pondering for the past week about the surprising things people say on video. I had a discussion with a close friend about people needing to refrain from saying things on the internet they wouldn’t otherwise say to them in person. It was then that it hit me saying those things on video was more severe than saying them in person – because video is documented and can be used as evidence. Then it got even more surprising what people would say in video. I do wish people wouldn’t have said these things, but I don’t (and can’t) have control over them. I don’t think people would listen to me much if I asked them to think twice. So pretty much the DeafVIDEO.TV community will make it what they want it to be. I provide a website as a tool to interact in ASL, and over time, took measures to attempt to help make DeafVIDEO.TV a safer place (cyberbullying rules, flagging system etc). But there’s only so much I can do. The power lies in the people.
Tayler said,

January 12, 2009 at 1:17 pm

By the way, responding to the “censorship king” charges: out of 18,829 videos on DeafVIDEO.TV, I’ve removed 3 videos. If anything, I should be charged with the opposite: being too liberal.
White Ghost said,

January 12, 2009 at 2:17 pm

Dear Tayler –

I understand.

However, you can’t moderate the DVTV all by yourself. They need a help. You can’t do all by yourself. You need some help from a back-up editor to jump into the chaos to calm them down for you. You need your editors to help, back-up and support you.

Tayler, please be there for them. They have been waiting for you to response for 3-4 days.

They appreciate you for creating the DVTV. Be there for them. Please think about it, Tayler.

I cried whey they cried.
Karen Mayes said,

January 12, 2009 at 3:02 pm

Thanks Tayler for leaving comments. I had pretty similar thoughts you have… that it was and is beyond your control. Yes, I do notice that in real life we have more self-control while behind the screen we are more loose with our emotions.

Good job, Tayler. I don’t envy you for your job… hard to keep everyone happy, but so far you have done a good job in keeping the majority happy ;o) .
CheryLfromMAA said,

January 12, 2009 at 3:41 pm

Hi & thanks, White Ghost…for your support!! we all cried too–very emotional week for all of us..again, thanks!
Mitchell said,

January 12, 2009 at 4:37 pm

Very good debates out there.

Some of you mentioned in here and Deafvideo.tv that JC should have called police right away. Which I would like to
talk about.

Can you think about being involved in serious crisis, maybe experience the serious dispute with someone in for a moment, can you make an excellent decision in crisis which you have to decide in split second? Not everyone can make excellent decision.

I have experience a couple of crisis in my lifetime. One is very serious which I was threatened to get hit by the metal shovel by a client.

Do you know how long police arrive? A minute? If you think that way, it is your dream.

As it was surreal and it takes the police to arrive at least 5 minutes. Many things could happen within 5 minutes, fortunately I am lucky that I wasn’t injured.

So when you face that similar situation, you would say oh boy, it’s not easy to make good decision to deal with the situation, because you would feel so emotional and it is very hard to control.

Other topic, I am not impressed with many people calling people who are protesting nitwits, child, immature etc.

If they are saying that they are. My questions are: Are the protesters that involved in:
Gally – wanting to remove the new Deaf President that occurred last year, protesters of gay marriage in USA,
women rights,
disabilities rights,
black community or any other races
are: nitwits, immature, children, any name callings??

They need to think twice before they insulting to these protesters.

Their and our life are improving because of protesting. Can you think of what happen if all of protesting never happened. Our rights, and lifestyle will be never be the same as today. We should be grateful for these people, who fought hard for what they believe in.

I strongly believe some people who called protesters nitwits and other names are trying to hide their motives.

I really hope these situation at DVTV settles down soon and they able to move on. As long as we all can learn from the situation and do things differently, however I am pretty sure it will happen from time to time because its nature of some people’s personality.
White Ghost said,

January 12, 2009 at 5:29 pm

Dear Tayler –

Thanks. You did good at the DVTV. I know it’s not easy.

PandaGuy08, “Wow Unbelievable with some of you!” have said it all…..game is game.

Safe place? To me not at all…..Every cyberspaces are not safe.

Sad.

But I want to give you a hug for the hard work. I know it’s not easy task.
Amy Cohen Efron said,

January 12, 2009 at 7:39 pm

This is my response to Former ASLisRisen (comment number 85):

You wrote:

Where is Amy? She should learn how to stand up and be strong to protect herself from this DVTV link: http://www.deafvideo.tv/video/watch/14349/

So we can learn ourselves how to be strong and stand up to protect ourselves (not shut up ourselves and be fear). That’s my point.

But I do NOT know if Aidan Mack did email to Amy personally first place before Aidan Mack vlogged that last July????

Ms. Mack did not email me personally before she made this vlog. She went ahead and did the vlog. That was a huge slap in my face.

I consider myself taking the high road by not responding to her vlog, or defending myself. I know I am strong and able to defend myself when I see and feel it is necessary to do so. At this time, I did not want to react or respond to this kind of vlog because of various reasons as stated below:

1. That vlog was like hitting below the belt, and it was not worth my time or energy to react.

2. If I do make a response, or defend myself, it will lead to some kind of uproar that will make things worse. That’s what had happened to Aidan and Jerome. Things WILL get ugly.

3. I am strong to walk away from this unnecessary conflict, because I do not want the person to have the control over my emotions, fears or reactions. I am in control and I know that I do not need to react to this.

4. It is not my nature to attack a person personally. I attack ideas, opinions and situations, not to a person.

5. I teach children by example by not fight back to the ‘bully’; and I remain to be in control with my emotions, by acting cool and detached from the attack.

To summarize this – if someone attacks you personally online, you can choose what to do with your reactions. Respond back with an attack, or remain calm and cool, or hide away with fear.

I decided to be calm and cool.

Thank you,
Amy Cohen Efron
Penny said,

January 12, 2009 at 8:19 pm

White Ghost-

When a victim is stalked by other person and shared her/his concern to someone like Tayler…the action should be taken care of immediately. Anyone like Tayler should never tell the victim to ignore…to pray…to hope…that stalking would go away. it is wrong and it puts danger to the victim. I am not accusing Tayler here. Please do not get me wrong but my point is that he should have taken action immediately. I am disappointed that Deaf Hope or other organization refused to come here and explain about this. I am very disappointed with them. Awful. I am doing my best from what I learned from DV training.

Thanks!
Ann_C said,

January 13, 2009 at 12:32 am

To Mitchell #114,

In your case, Mitchell, you had only minutes to make a decision in the case of the client wielding a shovel as a weapon. That was a threat to your safety and to your life, not a threat to your reputation. Different situation, and you acted on the instinct to survive.

In JC’s and Aidan’s case, this was a crisis of their own making which they aired publicly on DVTV and went on to call it domestic violence, “word twisting” or mental abuse, etc. Their angry behavior at one another online belittled the very serious issues of domestic violence and mental illness.

They said and did irrational things in the heat of the moment, grant you that, but they did those things very publicly on an online forum. It does make one wonder what the real motive was– there was intent to expose a person’s rep and there was intent to hurt a person emotionally.

Like Amy, had Jerome or Aidan stepped away and not responded, do you think there would have been this so-called crisis? There was plenty of time to re-consider one’s options, but anger got in the way of better judgment. It certainly was not “instinct”.
Penny said,

January 13, 2009 at 4:21 am

I want to clarify my comment above. When I said that I am disappointed that Deaf Hope or other organization refused to come here and explain about stalking or DV…I do not mean for them to tell us that Tayler did not handle situation right or anything like that…it is not what I meant here. No. No. I wish they would come and explain to the public how we should handle situation like what had happened in Deafvideo.tv. I do not wish my comments make others think that I am targeting Tayler. I hope you understand what I am trying to say here.
Former ASLisRisen said,

January 13, 2009 at 8:35 am

First of all, I want to thank someone who did emailed and notified me to go look at Amy’s comment..

Hello Amy!!!

Oh yes, I completely understand what you mean. I want to thank you so much for your time to explain everything. We are learning from your experience to share with us all. Oh gosh, I want to give you my hugs and I do FEEL bad for you…. So I decided to use my video comment under her vlog because I had to proof myself that I already saw her vlog about you.. Now I understand how you feel because before I did tried to imagine myself in your shoes like responsible as a moderator, plus work (possible if you are full time working mom (I do not know if you have children)), plus taking care of home and plus others things to do… Wow must be overwhelming with too much pressures????

Right now I wanna be sure you are doing okay and be happy with life with more FREE not burden with too much responsible..

Amy thank you so much for sharing with us all. {BIG HUGS}
White Ghost said,

January 13, 2009 at 9:09 am

I understand, Penny. That’s my point. Aidan is responsible for informing Tayler *before* she do the first vlog on DV without attacking on Jermone Cain/ASLfire.

How irresponsible of her! I am pretty sure that Deafhope is disappointed in her.

Amy Cohen Efron — you did the right thing for not payback to Aidan. Hugs to you, Amy. May I call you an Iron Lady, ma’am?

Now, I must go back to my blog friends to crack some jokes……
deafmommy said,

January 13, 2009 at 12:00 pm

Hi,

This is for Tayler, I hope he’ll see this message. I apologize if I called you a censorship king but my feeling is that once you ban something, you are stuck with it. People will come to expect that you have the authority to ban a vlogger if they don’t like her or him. Information is power. We have the power to decide if we want to respond to the vlogger or ignore them. Why should we respond if we don’t like this particular vlogger. We DON’T have to respond back. We can just sit back and watch the vlogger but make a decision if we want to comment or not. It is in our control. Once you ban a vlogger, the information is lost and the vlogger has no freedom to be on your DVTV. What kind of message is this? Aidan had a choice to vlog her DV, wheither it was a good one or not, it created a lot of emotions bur I don’t think it should be banned. Media is like this, there are all kinds of news popping up and there is a very very fine line of censorship that we need to be very careful of. Once you censor someone, you are forever stuck with it and have to follow peoples’ wishes. Instead of censoring a vlog or a blog, why isn’t there an educational vlog on how to empower people to learn how to make decisions about commenting versus not commenting, make good choices and share opinions in a constructive way, I think that will help in a looonnnng way instead of having to put you in a very difficult position to ban a blogger or vlogger. One day, there will be a vlogger or blogger that people would want you to ban, they didn’t do anything wrong, what will you do?? I hope I am maknig sense as to why it is not good to have censorship except for pornography, or anything that is very destructive.
Mishkazena said,

January 13, 2009 at 5:58 pm

Penny, DVTV is not under the jurisdiction of DeafHope or any other DV agencies. They must maintain their professional boundaries.

However, as a DVTV viewer, you can send your suggestion to Tayler regarding getting someone to provide educational DVTV vlogs on how to handle conflicts in a healthy and appropriate approach, how to handle trolls, and to avoid trigger or engage in a flame war.

Disclaimer: I am speaking as a blogger, not as a DR editor.
Mishkazena said,

January 13, 2009 at 6:13 pm

Deaf Mommy, DVTV viewers and vloggers have the right to have a safe environment, without personal attacks. It was due to the cyberbullying of certain individuals that led to the establishment of guidelines to ensure a healthy cybercommunity.

In the physical environment, we have existing laws to protect us against harassment, bullying, and verbal attacks. It’s reasonable to expect similar conduct rules in the cyberspace, especially when the cybercommunity is close knitted, like DVTV where the majority already knows each other. The vloggers and commenters have a responsiblity to behave within the guidelines. If they don’t, they need to expect appropriate consequences.

Even the media has its own rules. They need to meet the FCC requirements, hence the development of private premium television programs.

Not all forums are unmoderated. Most of the long-lasting successful forums are moderated. It’s unrealstic to expect one one forum to satisfy everybody. There are some who wants more guidelines whereby others want no guidelines. For example, one forum is facing a lawsuit from the family of a participant who commited suicide while on webcam due to cyberbullying from other participants a couple of months ago.

If you want a free for all unmoderated cyberforum, I suggest you establish another one.

Disclaimer: This is the words of a blogger, not as a DR editor.
Tayler said,

January 13, 2009 at 6:32 pm

deafmommy wrote: “I hope I am maknig sense as to why it is not good to have censorship except for pornography, or anything that is very destructive.”

You listed the exceptions by which the videos were removed.
A Deaf Pundit said,

January 13, 2009 at 6:38 pm

Yeah. Freedom of speech isn’t absolute. There are limits to it… and forums can and *should* have their rules as well.

It’s a fine line to walk. I’m all for freedom of speech, and I’ve preached that… but right now my blog is in moderation, and I don’t foresee that changing, because people seem hell-bent on hijacking the topics, or starting a flame war… what can I do? I want this blog to have quality to it, and I want good discussions, where people can respectfully disagree.

So I have to agree with MZ. It does seem that for a forum to be long-standing and successful, it has to be moderated.
Mitchell said,

January 13, 2009 at 6:49 pm

In response to: Ann_C

You have very good point in what you are referring to, which I agree with you 100%. They have plenty of time to think before they click on the button to send their video to the websites.

I realized I wasn’t being clear what I am referring to. The commenter was arguing about the incident of JC restraining Adian out of the house years, years ago. Many of the commenter said that JC should have called police immediately instead of restrain her out of his house. Again, it’s JC house, he can restrain her out.

Commenter also saying that JC should go to neighbor house and ask them to call Police. I think that is so ridiculous, why are they thinking that JC can leave her in the house alone while he go to other area to call police. Many things could happen in that house, damage, steal stuff, or whatever.

In response to: deaf mommy

I agree with you 100%. As I can see lots of similar situation on the newspaper or news a few times. They are not censored. Again that is fine line where they can say and what to share. I am pretty sure they have legal team to review all of the news before being published or aired.

Vloggers in DVTV,I am pretty sure , are 100% responsible for their actions. But I am not too sure if Taylor responsible for their vlogs.

I am very curious of the outcome of this situation. I am sure it won’t be pretty consequence.
A Deaf Pundit said,

January 13, 2009 at 7:00 pm

Mitchell,

Tayler made a vlog: http://www.deafvideo.tv/video/watch/33380/

For those who don’t know ASL, here’s a summary: Tayler explained his reasonings for keeping Aidan’s 2nd vlog up, and why he didn’t delete Aidan’s first vlog along with JC’s.

He pointed to the R-List.. apparently JC called Aidan names in his vlog, hence his vlog’s removal. And Tayler, like the rest of us, isn’t in a position to judge whether Aidan’s accusation against JC has any truth to it or not. But because it was so inflammatory and provoked such a reaction, he asked Aidan to either replace it or take it down completely.

He is not going to remove Aidan’s 2nd vlog, because it does not violate any guidelines – DVTV’s or YouTube’s. And he stressed the point that DVTV is what the community makes it to be… If people have issues, use the flag system.

He also announced a job opening with DVTV… for a moderator. He’ll make another vlog soon explaining what he wants from the moderator.
Mitchell said,

January 13, 2009 at 7:02 pm

In response to: Mishkazena

I was thinking the same thing but I have been trying to figure what to say, and you said it perfectly. Well said!

To everyone:

I would like everyone to think of another situation as the example.

A company runs without rules, policies, etc. The owner told his employees to use their common sense? He trusts everyone to use their best judgment.

One day, an Jane Dane flirting Joe Doe. Joe tells Jane to stop. Jane says, it’s common sense, it’s nothing wrong, don’t be a baby, be a man! Joe gets pissed off and complain to the owner, and the owner says, no guideline or policy, so I cannot do anything.

So what do you think it would happen????

That is a BIG reason why we have LAWS, guidelines, polices, etc (from government, school, workplace, organizations) for us to follow it, to have it guide us to have the best lifestyle possible.

Of course not everyone likes it, but does they realize it helps our life in better sense way?
Penny said,

January 13, 2009 at 7:28 pm

Editor-

I understand that Deaf Hope and other organizations must maintain their professional boundaries. I did not ask them to come and defend Aidan or Tayler. That would not be right thing for them to do. I think since Deaf Hope or other organizations plead for $$$ from the public should do some service to the public like giving GENERAL information about how things should be handled when crises come up and etc. I don’t see anything wrong with it.

NAD came forth last year and started to share information with us…did some clarification and other things. I don’t see any harm for Deaf Hope or other organizations to volunteer and share about DV. I think I made comments in wrong blog…not directly to DeafPundit (I appreciate that she accepted my comments as I thought she would not do it…so thanks) but I realized that most people here are biased against Aidan. I never met her. I do not know her at all. I am still with her due to my involvement in training few years ago.

By the way- I learned that something will come up soon so they will take care of it.

Thanks.
A Deaf Pundit said,

January 13, 2009 at 7:42 pm

Yeah, I agree it’s a good idea for DeafHope and other DV agencies to do an educational vlog about domestic violence. I hope DeafHope or the other agencies get a grant to pay them to do the vlog. It takes up time, and time is money. So I’m glad you learned that something will come up. I’m looking forward to that.

And you’re welcome.
Mishkazena said,

January 13, 2009 at 8:41 pm

Penny, I stated earlier that I responded as a blogger, not as an editor. Please do not refer to me as editor here. Thanks

No, that’s not what I mean when I mentioned professional boundaries…. DeafHope coming in to defend Aidan or Tayler. Since DVTV is an independent entity, any agency, including DeafHope, needs to be invited first to participate in discussions regarding DVTV conduct. Hence my suggestion for you to contact Tayler to explore this possibility. I like your idea as I think it’s a great way to educate the DVTV viewers.

Mishkazena, the blogger, not as DR editor
Penny said,

January 13, 2009 at 9:44 pm

Examples here…when vloggers or bloggers are having heated discussion about taxes and a group of people do not believe what others are saying then it would be nice to have a Deaf CPA or Deaf Tax person to come forth to discuss about taxes without taking sides and not give support or blame to both group of people—group vs group…same goes for ADA, Family Law, Elderly Abuse and etc. Hearing people have access to listen many topics and issues every single day…from TV, Radio, listening conversation in restaurants and etc…we do not have that kind of access. I don’t think it is wrong for anyone (individual) from Deaf Hope or other organization to come forth and discuss about the issue “Stalking” or “Public Information” things like that without target group vs. group.

Still disagree?
Penny said,

January 13, 2009 at 9:59 pm

DeafPundit-

Thanks. I don’t know if Deaf Hope or other organization can present educational vlog about DV. If they want to do it fine but that was not my point here. I think I have explained what I meant in my recent comment. (See above)

I learned from DV training sessions that anyone who received training can present educational vlog about DV. They are not required to work for DV organization to present educational training. No. Anyone can do it…survivors or someone like anyone of us who attended DV training can share to the public at anytime and anywhere.
A Deaf Pundit said,

January 13, 2009 at 10:02 pm

I don’t see a problem with that, Penny. It would be cool if DeafHope came in and made a vlog explaining about domestic violence in general. Or they can just share their story, without naming people unless the batterer has gone to jail for it.

But really, we also need to use our common sense. And we also need to think for ourselves. We are not stupid… we can and should make some judgments ourselves. We also can do some research on our own, to find out the needed information. It is a lot to ask all of the agencies to educate us all the time. We can educate ourselves a bit.
deafmommy said,

January 13, 2009 at 10:04 pm

Penny, your idea sounds great. The issue started when Aidan had JC exposed in her vlog, if she didn’t have JC exposed, then there wouldn’t have been an uproar. I would like to know if victims have the right to expose their abuser or not? DeafHope could come in and present views on it and if a victim feels that they need to share their experience, can they expose their abuser’s name or not? This is what we all are questioning about.

Also JC accused Aidan of having Borderline Personality Disorder, is that name calling? I am not sure. Of course, it can be damaging to her reputation so where do we draw the line?? RR, Jane Fernandes and other people were called having some kind of disorder but these vloggers or commentators who called them didn’t get banned.
Penny said,

January 13, 2009 at 10:05 pm

My error—I didn’t mean presenting educational vlog…I mean giving training to new group about DV or doing some volunteer work with victims or survivors. Since we have new medium—vlogs therefore we still give educational vlogs about DV.
Penny said,

January 13, 2009 at 10:13 pm

I agree with you DeafPundit. Unfortunately, some crowd did not want to do their research or bothered to get information from DV Hotline and etc. They preferred to show their anger toward the person who made a vlog last week. We have to remind ourselves to respect others who make their own judgment decision.

There are many topics in youtube. I clicked what I wanted to watch. I do not watch all topics. I hope vloggers will learn to do that too.
Penny said,

January 13, 2009 at 10:20 pm

Deaf Mommy-

Yes I believe that the victim can name her/his abuser…I have all materials and information about DV but unfortunately they are in my storage. Darn! You can look in the website and do some research or maybe call DV Hotline and ask some questions. See what you find out and share with us? If I have materials in front of me then I would be gladly to share information here.

I have seen some did name calling and why they did not get banned? I am puzzled too.
A Deaf Pundit said,

January 13, 2009 at 10:24 pm

It’s better to only name your abuser when they have been convicted in court of it. That’s the problem with Aidan and JC. Was JC convicted in court for battering Aidan?

Not that we know of.

And as for the banning part: there was no DVTV during the Gally protests.
Ann_C said,

January 13, 2009 at 11:14 pm

Well, I do see problems with the victim naming her/his abuser in a public forum.

(1) ‘Tis dangerous for a victim to name the alleged abuser, as it can compromise the victim’s safety, if an alleged abuser is the real McCoy. Cyber stalking is a common tactic among abusers, among other methods of intimidation.

(2) If a person was never convicted of domestic violence and is named an “alleged abuser”, that person can sue the accuser on libel and defamation charges.

(3) Accusations as such can affect one’s employment situation, should an employer choose to look up an applicant’s/ current employee’s name in a computer search to see what turns up. Don’t tell me it’s illegal, we all know employers do it anyway. Places of employment have been targets of domestic violence also, so employers are skittish about applicants or employees with such records, doesn’t matter if it’s the victim’s or the alleged abuser’s.
Former ASLisRisen said,

January 14, 2009 at 7:52 am

Good morning, A Deaf Pundit! First of all, I like your changing your blog style with the photo on top of your post but it has no number of the comments by strolling all the way down to commenters. Decided to click on “notify me of followup comments via email” after I make one more “Leave A Response” which that MAY (or Not) be more easier access for my sk3 pager. Just testing myself.

deafmommy, I understand your point that no one got banned from calling RR, Jane Fernandes and other people were having some kind of disorder. But I wonder with only one person (former DVTV vlogger who did bashing labeled me as Pam Labacana (Charles Manson murdered his gf’s parents), is that OK for me to perform as “Pam Spray”????
Mitchell said,

January 14, 2009 at 11:39 am

Hi A Deaf Pundit.

Just wanted to tell you that I enjoyed your blogs very much, you always have very good debate.

I wanted to say thank you for sharing the link of Tayler’s vlog. I have been watching that situation closely to see what the outcomes are.

I am sure that incident have left us wondering what direction DVTV are heading to.

That makes me think about a lot and trying to compare to the similar situation if it occurred somewhere.

Such as on the newspaper, if the accuser was guilty in the court, that information become public. Anyone can know.

Also, I am thinking these people are taking things too seriously, thinking in black and white, they should not take other people’s conversation too personal.

I think the main thing is…. They need to learn not to watch the vlog or video comments if they don’t like that person, even they used their name on their title. They need to learn to ignore if they don’t get along with that person. I have seen some people can watch the video without taking it too personal which I applauded.
White Ghost said,

January 15, 2009 at 11:17 pm

I saw Aidan’s new vlog as of today. My reaction? Thumbs down. I find her new vlog no excuse. She’s an adult. She could have waited for Tayler to get back to her. I find her very cruelly impatient to do the first vlog to attack ASLfire to get Tayler back to her.

I truly think that she owes Tayler a big apology. The huge one.

Blueglowangel, Amy Cohen Efron, HarleyGirl and now ASLfire. I honestly would never want her to work for me. Everybody knows this. Sad.

*scoffs*
A Deaf Pundit said,

January 16, 2009 at 1:43 pm

I think the best way to deal with Aidan is to totally, utterly ignore her. She clearly wants drama, and thrives on it. So don’t give her that. Eventually she’ll fade away, if enough of us ignore her, imho.
Ecnarb said,

January 16, 2009 at 2:02 pm

Deafpundit,

I agreed with you that the best thing is to ignore her. I saw her pattern in the past which concerned me. Why? Will I be the next victim from her? If so, How can we prevent this from happening??? I see no solution since there was a group who backs her. They will do anything to protect her and have her to attack on people like others in the past.
I predicted she will attack the next person in a month. If she attacks anyone, then I have no choice but to leave this DVTV for my own safety.

White Ghost,
Yep, I agreed with your comment. I finally can see you (just kidding)
A Deaf Pundit said,

January 16, 2009 at 2:17 pm

Just because a group is backing Aidan doesn’t mean she can continue her behavior. We all can confront this group and say, this behavior is not acceptable… and we will flag you and your vlogs/comments until you understand that or until you’re banned from DVTV.

Also, you have to keep in mind that there are individuals on DVTV who are smart enough to NOT violate the R-List, but still be very insulting and demeaning. That is why I said flag or ignore that person. If enough people flag that person, there will be less drama… and same goes for ignoring that person.

And ultimately, if someone goes on a rant, attacking people, but does not violate the R-List, there’s always the option of sending the person a cease and desist letter.

But I don’t think you should leave DVTV. You’re part of the community there, and every one of you are… you all need to own that, and not allow groups or factions “own” DVTV.
White Ghost said,

January 16, 2009 at 3:33 pm

Brance –

Just would like to say that I am proud of you the way you handled the situation they approached you in the comment area as you mentioned in your vlog, “My Story.”

See, you just met my son, Casper. Understand why I am not White Ghoul.

Where are you, Amy!
Ann_C said,

January 16, 2009 at 4:00 pm

Taking the high road by ignoring an attacker’s words/signs shows that you’re not taking the attacker’s bait. Ignoring such an attacker makes the bullying behavior look far more obvious to other vloggers.

As Amy and DP already said, shunning or flagging unacceptable online behavior can be effective. It’s like saying to an angry person, “I’m leaving the room ’til you cool off”.
Ecnarb said,

January 16, 2009 at 4:39 pm

DP,
Point taken. Thank you

White Ghost!
You made me laughed! yes very true that I saw Casper! Isn’t he cute??
It was very hard with my vlog and I had to redo millions times before I uploaded it.

Ann C
Yes, it is possible for us to “train ourselves” not to feed the fire (attacker and or vlog with unacceptable behavior)
It was very hard to do since we are very small community “small town”
Ann_C said,

January 16, 2009 at 5:23 pm

Brance, yes, it’s hard to keep a cool head in a very small community, where everybody knows everyone else.

When an attacker judges another person, namely you, he is not defining YOU, that person is actually defining himself as someone who needs to judge.

This is something I finally learned from years of dealing with a relative who is a consummate crazymaker and bully rolled into one in my own family. Other family members and I had to start shunning this relative whenever her angry behavior showed up. It’s as if she’s never grown out of her schoolyard tactics or owned up to her behavior. She often wonders why she’s alienated by others, well, duh! More silence, and for a deaf attacker, that’s worse treatment than any kind of communication, negative or otherwise.
deafmommy said,

January 16, 2009 at 11:36 pm

“One day, there will be a vlogger or blogger that people would want you to ban, they didn’t do anything wrong, what will you do?? ”

See when I made this comment above earlier, my prophecy came true when I found out that Zing has been banned from DVTV.! And the commentators are very upset about this and they think it is unfair. Simply he got banned because he made a comment that was not appropriate, he didn’t make a vlog.

Gee, why do we have to make DVTV more complicated than it is.
bbdqsony said,

January 17, 2009 at 1:07 am

Hello Penny–
This is my first time posting a comment at deafread and you are the first one.

I must say this is good vlog… you would be a GREAT reporter ^_^
A Deaf Pundit said,

January 17, 2009 at 9:39 am

This isn’t Penny’s blog. This is my blog. I’m DeafPundit on DVTV.
bbdqsony said,

January 17, 2009 at 2:11 pm

Sorry Deafpundit…. I know it’s your blog for some reason I thought it was your name Penny…. maybe from reading comment and thinking of all the drama that is going on…. Again great blog Deafpundit.
A Deaf Pundit said,

January 17, 2009 at 2:17 pm

No problem. It happens… and thank you!
Ken Davis said,

January 18, 2009 at 6:39 pm

Hi all,

I am CEO / Founder of the Deaf Newspaper, LLC, http://www.deafnewspaper.com, since 2002. My view surfed between HEARING WORLD and DEAF WORLD. I noticed that CNN, ABC News, MSN News or other TV broadcast networks that they showed a real photo and real name. They informed us about several bad hearing people on their TV broadcast networks. And also they informed us about several bad deaf people on their local TV broadcast networks.

Can we do that at the Deaf Newspaper LLC? No, most of our vloggers and subscribers don’t like for me to inform you all about several bad deaf people in United State of America. My Deaf Newspaper LLC is almost same as TV broadcast networks. My website is for Deaf World, and for other. Therefore Deaf World and Hearing World both are not same. I think my website is not able to do the bad deaf people sharing to you. It have not official yet.

My view about domestic violence was touched many users’ hearts by several deaf websites. I will ask a person from DeafDove.org to do the vlog in my studio about domestic violence without picture and name. If you are still in domestic violence, please contact DeafDove.org. Thanks!

Ken Davis
CEO / Founder
Deaf Newspaper LLC
http://www.deafnewspaper.com

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A Cyberspace Riot on DeafVideo.TV

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